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Started by MkIV Lux, February 12, 2018, 12:58:24

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MkIV Lux

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TTM

That blue Cobra looked pretty good. If perhaps not original I really liked the rear wing treatment.

I also spotted in a corner a dark red Ace Bristol apparently fitted a 289 V8 engine, BEX 235.

If you go next year then drop me a pm, we could meet for a beer.

MkIV Lux

Quote from: TTM on February 15, 2018, 18:41:35
That blue Cobra looked pretty good. If perhaps not original I really liked the rear wing treatment.

I also spotted in a corner a dark red Ace Bristol apparently fitted a 289 V8 engine, BEX 235.

If you go next year then drop me a pm, we could meet for a beer.

I'll  take you up for the beer, TTM  ;)

what about these rear wheels on CSX2075? Are they period? Cannot understand what the nuts do there? 2 eared spinner indicates splined hub.

rr64

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Quote from: MkIV Lux on February 16, 2018, 07:24:50
what about these rear wheels on CSX2075? Are they period? Cannot understand what the nuts do there? 2 eared spinner indicates splined hub.

Shelby American Inc. offered "spline drive" magnesium wheels made by American Racing as street and racing options. There were two design types, the original with 'hidden lugs' and the revised with 'exposed lugs'. Both wheel assembly designs incorporated steel adapters bolted in from the rear of the wheel and steel sleeves on the outboard side to be hard wear surfaces for standard AC logo center lock "knock off" nuts. All wheels were for 15" diameter tires.

Cobra wise buyers could get widths between 6.0 and 8.5 inches with the 6.0 models being unique to Shelby American and Cobras. American Racing added 6.5 through 8.5 inches wide models to their aftermarket catalogs.

6.0 inches wide wheels generally work without coachwork modifications on all four corners. A popular combination was 6.0 inches wide front and 7.0 inches wide in rear. 7.0 inches wide wheels in rear and or extra large tires could require modification of wings depending on the particular chassis as some coachwork width variation was normal.

An additional strengthening revision was made at some point but I don't know when, a rib was added inside each wheel spoke. See the last image below.

Street and road racing wise the first 'hidden lug' design assembly proved generally satisfactory durability wise. The first design was not good on the rear for drag racing as the lug bolts tended to wallow out the magnesium they were threaded into. The solution was the 'exposed lug' revision whereby acorn type 'lug nuts' and the bolts captured the hub of the magnesium wheel between them. The second Shelby works "Dragonsnake" used the new design exposed lug wheels.

Neither design wheel assembly is light weight as compared to any version of 'pin drive' magnesium wheel Shelby American used.

Regarding CSX2075, I have been seeing pictures taken of the car between the 1960s and its marketing photos for sale last year with drag race exposed lug wheels.


This wheel is 8.50 wide and was used for many years on the rear of a Cobra but it illustrates the 'hidden lug' bolts threaded directly into the magnesium.



This is a new old stock 6.0 wide made specifically for Cobras 'exposed lug' wheel I once owned shown front and reverse side.





Dan
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.

Mark IV

The nuts are on wheel studs like a standard car but hold the steel splined insert to the wheel. Sort of like knock-off adaptors but rather than adapting a bolt-on setup to spinner, this allows the spline drive hub to work with an alloy wheel which would wallow out the spline in the wheel if not for the steel insert.

MkIV Lux

thanks to both for the comprehensive explanation; all clear now  :) :)

SunDude

Any info on this particular Cobra? Chassis number? Owner's name?

The booth was Équipe Europe if that helps ID the car.


MkIV Lux

No clue, the stand was unmanned when I passed, so could not question anybody :(

rsk289

Quote from: Mark IV on February 16, 2018, 15:48:55
The nuts are on wheel studs like a standard car but hold the steel splined insert to the wheel. Sort of like knock-off adaptors but rather than adapting a bolt-on setup to spinner, this allows the spline drive hub to work with an alloy wheel which would wallow out the spline in the wheel if not for the steel insert.

Just out of interest, this was commonly seen on British sportscars with alloy wheels and splined centres - Austin Healeys, TRs, Jags etc. used the steel bolt-in insert.  They're still made like this on the bigger Minilite-style wheels.

MkIV Lux

thanks RSK289 :)

does anybody know what the two devices here are about?

rr64

Quote from: MkIV Lux on February 19, 2018, 14:09:38
thanks RSK289 :)

does anybody know what the two devices here are about?

Line lock switch and reverse gear block out I believe. The car was a very serious drag race car for a long time from new.
Dan Case
1964 Cobra owner since 1983, Cobra crazy since I saw my first one in the mid 1960s in Huntsville, AL.

MkIV Lux

her is a photo from another angle?
on what does the line lock switch act?