2 lt being broken to make an ACE call me a Killjoy

[GSouthee]

Hi  I see on Ebay there is a 2 litre that is being broken for spares and the running gear etc being used for a poss special. Looks like a foreign reg though poss dutch.
   
   Ah here's the link,
   
   http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232047601523?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
   
   If anyone interested let me know as I live quite close and will check out for you. I might get some bits myself.
   
   Cheers  Gary

[Jam2]

How sad, it looks to be in not bad order.

[GSouthee]

Yep, Ive spoken to the guy and it appears to have a factory development engine in it as well a D suffix. he is intending to make an Ace.
   
   Cheers  G

[GSouthee]

Or call me a grumpy old man or even Shirley at weekends!
   
   However it is with great regret that I am sure I am going to upset someone!! but do I care really?
   
   So here goes, After some thought about what is happening here I must make my point. I think it is a great shame that someone (you know who you are) is going to destroy a 2 litre saloon to make a 'Mickey Mouse ACE', This person is going to use the chassis after some major mods to replicate an Ace chassis or if you follow his website, even going to use a third party chassis. He is going to use the 2 litres identification plates and part of the chassis with the numbers on to keep Historic status. I am given to believ by this person that he is even trying to hoodwink the DVLA into issuing a V5c as an AC ACE, as his car shows no model type on the reg docs and has filled in the V62 thingy to do this. Apart fro the obvious fact that that is fraud pure and simple. The mods on the AC 2 litre chassis or use of a third party one would exceed the 12 point system that DVLA allocates to special etc. By just mods to the Chassis he would be over the allocated points.
   
   I believe the club should not allow or condone such action and or postings re this project.
   
   This is why there is such resentment from some parties re no MOT/Tax etc.
   
   This vehicle if built should be allocated a Q plate and that will make the clearly what it will be a 'Kit car'.
   
   Just because the poor old 2 litre is not a much desired classic as yet ie worth many 10's of thousands. It should not be destroyed just because this person is in pursuit of big bucks from an ACE.
   
   I really hope the DVLA insist on an inspection of this vehicle, when completed, and possibly withhold/rescind the V5c or issue a Q plate.
   
   If he wants to do something rebuild the 2 litre or at worst convert it to a drophead.
   
   This coming year is the 70th anniversary of the 2 litre, we should keep as many going as possible not pull them apart just to make a big profit and con some poor soul in the future.
   
   This is my opinion, and happy to discuss this blatant dfestruction of a nice car and a Fraud.
   
   Cheers  gripe over.

[BE774]

I think the only thing you could do would be to contact the DVLA and inform them of his intention. That would not stop him going through with his plan, but could stop the incorrect registration at the end. I assume that the vehicle is of Irish origins and not currently registered here. You would need the chassis number in that case.

[GSouthee]

I already have chassis number orig engine number and the current engine number he was daft enough to put the on his website and youtube!  Yes it is Irish origin.

[Nev]

I can only agree with you GSouthee,

[Jam2]

I totally agree with you GSouthee.
   Would an 'ACE' built from this car really be worth a significant sum? Surely a 2lt saloon chassis bears no resemblance to an Ace chassis..........

[Robin A Woolmer]

There is an Ace looking car built from a saloon chassis which a Club member owns, might be worth searching back through the Forum to read the comments.
   
   Robin

[nikbj68]

Shirley they can't be serious![;)]
   ...This strikes me as exactly the type of action that caused the DVLA to start investigating and cracking down on vehicles which aren't what they purport to be, and whilst I can understand Acecas becoming Aces, Aces becoming Cobras etc, there is only one real thing that the 2 litre shares with the Ace...the AC name.
   Anyone 'what knows these things' won't be fooled into paying more than 1/3 - 1/2 the value of a real Ace, no matter how 'correctly' it is built, and I doubt that the AC chassis number would add enough of a premium over a similar scratch-built Ace replica to justify destroying what appears to be a viable 2-litre.
   ...IMHO. [B)]

[GSouthee]

Hi Jam2 you are right he will have to butcher or as he suggests on his website use a third party one, there by losing all but the engine gearbox, axles(maybe) from the 2 litre whilst maintaining its historical!!! status. I have built many hotrods in the past and allways met the 8 out of 12 point scheme. and kept original body, chassis etc what he is doing by trying to get the v5c issued as an ACE is wrong. And yes it will still attract a good price I'm sure just look at the price of plastic Cobras etc.
   
   G

[jrlucke]

Here's a similar car which was on the market a while back (for quite some time before finally selling at auction at about half the value of a real 2.6): http://www.coys.co.uk/cars/1951-ac-ace-ford-2-6-ruddsport
   
   John

[GSouthee]

I wish I knew what IMHO meant?
   
   Your are right nikbj the DVLA do not need further reasons to get tough on genuine Historic owners, through the deeds of the devious ones.
   
   If you looks at his website http://aceac.weebly.com you will see he spent approx £5000 on what he calls a decrepit car. I know of one that is in a very poor state in fact rotting away that he could have picked for a third of that. Why ruin what appears to be a fairly decent car. Oh I know pursuit of money at someones expense.
   
   God I am really a grumpy ol man.

[BE774]

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

[GSouthee]

I assume that must be youth text speak, really must catch up with this modern stuff.
   
   I am aware that DVLA are in fact looking at this, handy being in close contact with law enforcement persons.
   
   G