Greyhound article in latest Classic Sports Car mag

[R Warlop]

Here's the article that appeared in the September issue of Classic and Sports Car, written by the editor himself.
   
   It's a nice overview, giving the Greyhound the accolades it deserves:
   
   "FORGOTTEN CHILD - The AC Greyhound has long lived in the shadow of the ACECA"
   Between the end of WW2 and Carroll Shelby ensuring that, for the wider public at least, AC would for ever mean Cobra, the Thames Ditton firm produced a brilliantly distinctive range of cars. As the 19605 dawned, customers could choose between a fabulous roadster in the unforgettable shape of the Ace, a hugely capable GT in the Aceca, and a sporting but practical 2+2 in the Greyhound. The open car, of course, remains by far the most celebrated of the three, but the charismatic closed models deserve their share of the limelight. The Greyhound was the spiritual successor to the 2 Litre, and while their respective launches were separated by not much more than a decade, AC had packed an awful lot into the intervening years. VVlth a chassis based on a pre-war Jaguar design and an in-house engine that could trace its roots back to 1919, the charming 2 Litre played a Vital role in re-establishing car production at AC following hostilities. By the early 19505, however, its price had crept over the £1000 mark, which meant a steep rise in Purchase Tax, and in any case the company's focus had shifted elsewhere. In 1953, it launched the Ace. By equipping a roadgoing derivative of John Tojeiro's beautiful little sports-racer with an uprated version of he 2 Litre's six-cylinder engine, AC created a design for the ages. And then the following year it made an attractive GT out of the roadster by introducing the Aceca, both models representing an extreme departure from the 2 Litre in terms of styling and engineering.
   But while the Aceca perfectly satisfied the needs of the more refined clientele who desired an Ace but wanted a roof over their heads or, as The Autorar put it, 'who sometimes needs to arrive unruffled at a formal occasion' -it was still only a two-seater. Production of the 2 Litre trickled on until 1956, after which it would take three years for the Hurlock family to present a new take on the four-seater theme.
   
   The Greyhound prototype was first shown at the 1959 Earls Court Motor Show, and employed a lengthened Aceca chassis with bodywork that was styled by chief engineer Alan Turner. For production cars, which started to appear the following year, there was a stronger square-section chassis in addition to a facelift that encompassed restyled rear windows and a smoother nose. Also, the spotlights moved from being within the grille -an upturned Ace item to either side.
   The increase in size over the Aceca it's 10in longer and 4in wider is instantly noticeable when you see the two next to each other, but it has an impressive stance and plenty of presence. In profile, you notice the squarer waistline plus the shallower slope to the large rear screen. Wander around the back, meanwhile, and from a three-quarter angle it carries particularly strong echoes of the Aston Martin DB4. Not everyone is a fan. A certain Martin B ley wrote a long time ago, admittedly 'At best, the fastback shape lacked harmony At worst it was an unforgiveably clumsy piece of work from an outfit that had given us such greatlooking machines as the Ace and Aceca.' It's certainly a very different proposition to the more compact and curvaceous Aceca, which boasts a timeless beauty that few cars can match. The featured example looks particularly good minus its bumpers, even if the overriders would do little to protect the rear wings.
   
   In the metal, however, the Greyhound's lines come together far better than they sometimes do in photographs. I like it, and seeing it with its two-seater stablemate it's almost difficult to believe that they were sold alongside each other for three years. In period, it would have represented a far more contemporary offering than the Aceca. It was a design for the 19603, rather than one that -however gorgeous --was most delinitely a product of the previous decade.
   
   The featured Greyhound belongs to Reginald Warlop. He has a varied car-owning past that includes an MGB -"It rusted everywhere" and even a Pembleton three-wheeler, but he's always had a soft spot for the Thames Ditton marque: "I love ACs, and particularly Cobras. I like to draw, and when I was 16 I was always sketching Cobras. And Lamborghini Miuras, too! I've always been into ACs, though, so I liked the Greyhound. but I'd only previously seen one at Goodwood. I was drawn to its structure, design and light weight -an Aston, for example, would have been much heavier.
   
   "I bought it three years ago without having seen it. It had ended up in Sweden and needed to be recommissioned. It was ideal for the kids because we could all go to shows in it. In fact, as soon as it was ready in September 2014, Itook it to the Concours of Elegance at Hampton Court. I get a lot of use out of it. We'll go out most weekends, and I've taken it to Knokke in Belgium, which is where I'm from. It's amazingly reliable, and has let me down only once. It's great on the motorway there's lots of space and it's comfortable, plus it has a pretty big boot, so it's a sensible touring car."
   
   But all is not as it seems with this particular Greyhound, and to explain requires an understanding of the engines involved. Having introduced the Aceca with yet another update of its ovm venerable 'six' -~ this time with triple SU carburettors and 85bhp AC switched to Bristol power in 1956. The arrangement lasted through the Greyhound, with the majority of the examples using either the 1971cc or 2216cc version of Filton's cross-pushrod unit.
   
   When supplies from Bristol dried up, a handful of late cars were fitted with AC's engine-making one last appearance and by then uprated to 105 bhp -and it is thought that another Greyhound was fitted with an experimental flat-six, but that never got past the prototype phase. There was also talk of fitting a V8 -either Edward Turner's little Daimler unit or the all alloy Buick/Rover powerplant.
   
   As it was, production came to a halt in 1963 after only 84 cars had been built -the Ace and Aceca were discontinued at the same time. With Greyhounds then slipping out of fashion for a number of years, people would seek them out solely for their Bristol engines he 1971cc
   1OOD2 was particularly desirable. Once that had been plundered for the benefit an ACE, Aceca, Frazer Nash or whatever, the remains would be sold on and often fitted with a more affordable and available drivetrain, which at least enabled the car itself to survive.
   "Greyhounds were losing their engines at a time when they were seriously under-appreciated and their engines were worth more than the cars" explains Jhn Goose, AC Owners' Club stalwart and Greyhound custodian.
   
   "Happily, this has now changed. They' re becoming more appreciated and more valuable. This means that they are less likely to be cannibalised, and restoration costs, which can be very high with all that aluminium bodywork, become financially justifiable."
   
   Many Greyhounds had already suffered that fate, however, and, in the case of Warlop's car, there's an instant giveaway without even having to lift the bonnet. In place of the standard gearknob is an unmistakably Triumph item, complete with overdrive switch. "I need to find another gearknob, really," he says with a smile. "Maybe I'll just make one?"
   
   Goose confirms that the Triumph 'six' is the easiest replacement: "Its in period and drops in without you having to alter the engine bay too much. A couple of cits have been fitted with Ford's 2.6-litre unit -in fact, the factory made a prototype using that engine when Bristol was moving to V8 power and AC had to look elsewhere. There are a couple in the US with Ford V8, too, although I would have thought that's rather heavy for a relatively lightweight car."
   
   In fact, Goose himself knows the benefits of owning a 'hybrid' Greyhound: "I have the prototype/first production example with a Bristol lOOD2 unit, which I love dearly but I always wondered how it would be with twice the litres and horses. When an engineless car became available, I grabbed the chance and installed a Rover V8 with a nice camshaft and four-choke Weber. It's wonderful. The chassis is well able to cope with V8 power." In the meantime, Warlop has been posting on a Bristol forumin an attempt to track down the car's original powerplant -~ 100D2 number '1129', which these days is apparently fitted to an Ace but for now he's delighted with the Canley replacement: "I can go flat-out and drive it for long distances Without worrying about something expensive going wrong. It's in the spirit of the car, too. It's a British 'six'. It's not like putting a Pinto engine in a Ferrari."
   
   He may have refurbished his Greyhound, but Warlop wisely left the interior alone. The original trim has a fabulous patina, from the handsome sunburst doorcards to the leather seats and carpets. The dashboard is slightly random, with unlabelled rocker switches here and there and plenty of auxiliary dials, while the ventilation controls are a stretch away to the left.
   
   At 5ft 7in, I'm able to get relatively comfortable once I've climbed into the rear seats, even if legroom is marginal. "If there was a fault with the Greyhound," Alan Turner told CSC in 1991, "it was that the space was a little bit generous for a 2+2. So, in many people's eyes, it was a four-seater with cramped rear seats, rather than the original conception of a 2+2 with generous seating for children. It fell between two stools."
   
   The Aceca boasts a much more ordered dashboard. Although the steering wheel is similarly vertical in both cars, the driving position does feel a little more dated in the earlier model, with that wheel resting in your lap and a gearlever that is bent through various angles on its way out of the transmission tunnel. Even so, with its mixture of leather and wood, it's a very pleasing cockpit in which you feel nicely cocooned.
   
   Beneath the metal, the Greyhound received various mechanical upgrades over the Aceca. Whereas the earlier car had a transverse leaf spring at either end plus cam-and-peg steering, the four-seater revelled in wishbones all round with coil springs and telescopic dampers. There was a new rack-and-pinion system, too.
   
   That translates into sharper reactions than the Aceca, especially around the straight-ahead, With the Greyhound turning in well and changing direction keenly. The Triumph engine in Warlop's car has impressive low-down torque, too, it responds instantly and suits the car well, wen if the engine note is more gruff than the crisp, cultured bark that the Bristol unit produces once you start pressing on.
   
   This Aceca's 'six' has been upgraded to an ex-Arnolt Bristol powerplant, and once you've explored the lengthy throttle travel the acceleration is impressive and thoroughly addictive. The rev counter is redlined at 55OOrpm, but in truth you don't need to venture far beyond 4000rpm to make swift progress. The gearchange, too, is wonderful, a mechanical and precise movement that the slightly woolly Triumph shift in Warlop's Greyhound can't match.
   
   The speed from a standstill, 60mph comes up in about 10 secs 'feel' and spine-tingling noise, which reverberates around the compact cabin, add up to make driving a really good Aceca an unforgettable and intoxicating experience. Despite its attempts to be a more refined option than the Ace, it is still hrst and foremost a sports car. Yet, despite what some reports over the years would have you believe, the Greyhound is by no means overshadowed. It's less
   overtly sporting than the two-seater, but it had an even more luxurious and practical brief to fulfil. It handles precisely, stops well with its combination of discs up from (an option on the Aceca from 1957 and drums at the rear and, on 1 85 HR] 5 radials, feels nicely composed. "Towards the end of its development," said Turner, "a car was road-tested by The Motor, much against my will because I didn't think it had the right wheels or tyres. In the road test it was reported that it had a tendency to wander at speed, which we believed was caused by the 15 in wheels and crossply tyres that were fitted. I think the car was spoiled for many by that article." Mud sticks, and then there was its cost. As Goose points out, for the asking price of £3185 or -an Aceca Bristol was £2561 -you could have bought a Jaguzr plus a couple of Minis. Its low profile counted against it, too. In later years, when most people thought of AC they pictured a Cobra or an Ace. If they thought of a closed AC, it was an Aceca, and even though prices for that car are now firmly into six figures, it seems absurd that you can still buy a good one plus a Greyhound ~ at about £50,000 for much less than a single Aston Martin DB2/4.
   
   It's a shame that Greyhound production stopped when it did, and the car didn't have the chance to compete for longer with rivals from the likes ofAston,Jensen and Alvis. It's fascinating to contemplate it being fitted with a lightweight V8 and possibly forming the basis for the next generation of ACS, but the 2+2 deserves its place alongside the illustrious Aceca. "I have no intention of selling it," concludes Warlop. "Once you have a car like this, there's no need to buy another one"

[nikbj68]

Really good article, Reg, and your 'Hound looks amazing in the photographs.
   It's impossible to understand Buckley's almost spiteful opinion  'At best, the fastback shape lacked harmony At worst it was an unforgiveably clumsy piece of work from an outfit that had given us such greatlooking machines as the Ace and Aceca.' There isn't a bad line on the Greyhound, and your choice of colour, along with the artisan efforts of AC Heritage @Brooklands really showcase Alan Turner's design to perfection.
   
   One slight niggle... Neither the prototype, nor production models used an inverted Ace grille, did they?
   The Ruddspeed Ace, and subsequently the Cobra, used an inverted Greyhound grille!

[AC Ace Bristol]

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   The idea of creating a  feature on the Aceca and the Greyhound was a great one.
   Nice pair of cars, Feature  ruined by using a non standard "Bristol" powered Greyhound, thereby missing the point completely. ( on a positive note at least this Greyhound is on the road and enjoyed)
   
   Greyhounds are seriously undervalued and make a brilliant Grand Tourer, Hopefully more  Greyhounds are restored back to their former glory with a Bristol
   engine, Mind you the V8 powered Greyhound  of John Goose really is where AC should have naturally progressed.
   
   Long may the Greyhound continue to attract attention and be used and enjoyed by the lucky few to complement the  AC Marque and the
   Ace / Aceca / 3000ME and Cobra not forgetting the PVTs and earlier Auto Carriers.
   
   Keith

[R Warlop]

Sorry to hear that the feature was ruined! I encourage anyone with a matching number Greyhound to raise the profile of the car, there's now room for improvement. Personally, I simply don't get why a Ford engine is so much more noble than a Triumph one. Would you all rave if I would swap my Triumph for an exciting Ford Zephyr power plant?

[AC Ace Bristol]

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   Reg
   
   A very nice Greyhound and the club and AC Marque well represented, however my personal opinion is it was  a pity a Bristol powered Greyhound was not featured ( 75 of the 82 left Thames Ditton with  Bristol Power).
   
   As your article states many Greyhounds lost their Bristol engines due to either ware and tear or being transferred to power either a
   Ace / Aceca  / Arnolt / Frazer Nash/ lotus and even Lister.
   
   So it is no surprise to see Greyhounds on the road with alternative transmissions.
   It is great to see Greyhounds being recognised for what they are, a bloody good 2+2  Grand Tourer.
   
   Keith

[nikbj68]

I thought the featuring of an 'any other engined' Greyhound served to prove the point that the Greyhound has been unloved and overlooked for so long, almost expendable as a donor, rather than cherished as what it is, the most thoroughbred post-war AC design of all. (I may be a little biased, as a fellow of the Triumph/Greyhound college, but them`s the facts!)
   
   Sure, we all wish our 'Hounds hadn`t undergone heart surgery, but I can`t see Dad spending more than the AC cost to refit a Bristol engine & 'box, despite knowing how much he loves the Bristol engine.

[Exowner]

I have to agree with Keith. I can't see the point in reviewing a car with a non standard engine. The engine is the pumping heart of a car and to review one that has had a transplant is pointless.
   And before anyone points it out, my Aceca was used in the 'Car SOS' programme for the driving shots and it has a Ford rather than the original AC.

[R Warlop]

I'm starting to enjoy this thread! To put it into perspective, I contacted C&SC to feature the respray in the "Our Cars" pages at the back. The editor promoted it to a full article and decided to cover the engine history in depth (without my knowledge). For those of you who have actively participated in the plundering of engines from Greyhounds, please take some responsibility for the fact that it's so hard to find one for sale with matching numbers. This car deserves some recognition and I'm pleased to see how the editor saw the design and engineering beyond the engine. He could have called off the article at any point if he wanted a Bristol or Zephyr engine. My request to all Greyhound owners with matching number cars is to have your car featured on the cover page of leading magazines, put one in immaculate condition for sale  at Coy's etc...  Until then it will be still less desirable than a VW camper van. I'm trying my best with what I found.

[nikbj68]

One thing`s for damned certain, we could never have afforded the Greyhound if it had it`s original engine; and if that engine 'went tech', would have been unlikely to afford a rebuild.
   Do you have a plan to re-Bristol yours, Reg?

[R Warlop]

Not sure yet, unless it's the original one that was put in the car. I feel for the great team of AC designers and craftsmen. The only thing that they didn't build is the engine and yet it's the main topic of discussion. I wish we would be spending this time debating their artwork instead.
   As a funny anecdote: Damien Hirst put a dead shark in formaldehyde and sold it for $13M. After a few years, the shark started to decay and the solution was simply to pay $5000 for another dead shark and to do a swap. The world of art has no issue with that...and it's now even worth more.

[administrator]

The Triumph straight six is a very good and underrated engine.  If I'd had further engine problems with my PVT, a Triumph transplant was on the agenda, with the AC becoming, temporarily or otherwise, an exhibit in the back of the garage.

[BEX298]

The comment above is that 75 of the 82 Greyhounds left Thames Ditton with Bristol Power. Putting the AC engine aside for the moment, there were three Bristol engines: 100D2, 110 and 110S fitted to the car. I think most of the Bristols fitted to Greyhounds were 100D2 (128 BHP at 5750 RPM), which was in a Greyhound I drove (equipped with the standard 16" rims) but really wasn't anything to write home about. The 110 series had much better low end torque characteristics, with the 110/110S being 105/130 BHP at 4700/5750 RPM since they were designed by Bristol for the heavier Bristol 406s. IMHO the best authentic road test for the Greyhound would be a 1961 or later car ftted with the Bristol 110S and 15" wheels, against the rest of them including the AC engined car to show the real in-period potential of the design. Also, there are various comments about fitting the Ford 2.6 Zephyr, but I would assume that a proper period comparison would be with a version like the Rudd RS 2.6 Aces had, with a stage III or stage IV level of tune.