Tour Auto 2013-Cobra Identities?

[nikbj68]

It`s a can of worms, and you know it!!!
   To follow a less contentious line of thought, would we rather see healthy numbers of replicas (and by that I mean FiA HTP-level, nut'n'bolt identical, of 985kg [Oops, 965 kg!]or more!! replicas) competing widely rather than 2 or 3 original Cobras? I certainly would, but they really need to be on a par with those who do still race their originals(and we thank them for so doing).

[dkp_cobra]

Migges pictures:
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

[B.P.Bird]

Nick, why 985 Kgs ? My homologation papers (115) shew 865 Kgs. including water, oil and spare wheel, but zero fuel. The early homologation (79) shews 920 Kgs. I know there are various opinions on what the actual weights were, but the original homologation form is the historical aiming point - rarely acknowledged by many, not least the FIA.....

[rstainer]

Barrie,
   
   You haven't been reading ACtion or Historic Motor Racing News.
   
   I'll email you the answer to your question.
   
   RS

[nikbj68]

Apologies, My post should have read 965kgs(as per this post on ClubCobra), which just goes to show how easy a typo can be (as it would appear was the case when the original papers were prepared by Shelby American, converting Imperial to Metric)!

[SunDude]

Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or does the CSX2388 replica look a lot like the Cobra I posted about here: http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2248 ?
   
   

[rstainer]

Nick,
   
   985kg is the correct minimum weight for a fast-back hardtop FIA cobra. The 2,129lbs (965kg) excludes the hardtop and side-screens that, if made to period specification, weigh 20kg.
   
   RS

[SJ351]

I'm certainly with the large number of nut and bolt correct historic race copies for spectacle. The Goodwood Shelby Cup though was also referred to as the 'Kirkham Cup' I am reliably informed. It is a great shame that the Cobra has been selected as the most copied car ever, although the Kirkham is slighly different in body width/scuttle and constructed differently in terms of not so traditional coachbuilt methods eg TIG welded panels of generally thicker aluminium guage. Brian Angliss clones were racing as far back
   as the 80's too. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say.

[rstainer]

I haven't seen a correct nut & bolt race copy. The cars I have seen incorporate many non-period improvements to increase performance, including shedding weight (114kg in one case, using kevlar, magnesium etc) improving torsional stiffness (up to 300%) & adding power.
   
   Whether this adds to the spectacle depends on one's expectations of historic racing.

[nikbj68]

It is a shame that the development has gone so far, and it does not improve anything to see a couple of cars a dozen seconds quicker than they could have ever gone in period romping away from the 'pukka' racers, but this doesn`t just apply to Cobras... Red Bull E-Type, anyone?!
   However.
   Standing in the paddock at Goodwood, as the Cobras prepared to do battle, is a  memory I shall treasure for ever.
   If there had only been a dozen original Cobras there, it would still have been amazing, but the 28-ish that were there was totally awesome!
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   I think my smile says it all.....COBRA HEAVEN!!!
   

[TLegate]

Was that last shot taken just before you turfed Jack out the car Nik??

[aaron]

quote:Originally posted by rstainer
   
Michael,
   
   Thanks for the very helpful photos.
   
   2076 is a Replica of recent construction, reported to be underweight. Its origin is currently unknown. The original was destroyed in the 60s.
   
   2112 has continuous history and is owned by Karsten LeBlanc.
   
   2388 is a Replica, originally built in 1986. The original was destroyed in the 70s.
   
   2468 (no 31) has continuous history, but didn't run for thirty years. It was severely damaged in 68 and rebuilt in FIA form in 98; not much of the original car remains.
   
   RS
   

   
   Were does the AC chassis tag come from ?

[nikbj68]

quote:Originally posted by TLegate: Was that last shot taken just before you turfed Jack out the car Nik??

He could have let my Dad & I have one lap, Dad even had 39PH`s original steering wheel in his hands at the time!!!(Now signed by Jack Sears, and fitted to the Greyhound.[8D])

[rstainer]

Aaron,
   
   60s Style Chassis Plates/Tags for more recent cobras
   
   Newly-produced blank replica plates are readily available, and I know of two sources (there may be more) of unused AC period plates.
   
   RS

[nikbj68]

I was wondering about the plate on "2388" as well.
   It`s not like any 2-Litre, Ace, Cobra or 428 plates, so I was thinking ME? Can`t find an image of one, but did come across this:
    on the CARTYPE.COM website.
   Odd choice.