1977 AC/Autotkraft on Ebay

[AK1131]

[8)]Please advise on this car. The dealer told me it had a CSX number.
   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Cobra-1977-Mark-IV-289-COBRA-by-AutoKraft-AC_W0QQitemZ270087757691QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6472QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Emmanueld]

AK1131, it is likely to be a fake, it is registered as 6F07C347401 which is not an AC number, while Angliss made some Kit cars in the 70's, who is to know? the CSX number if any is definitely not genuine, otherwise the car would be registered under it! Most States DMV have become wise on CSX scams. Stay away! Maybe well below 100K if the car is very nice with all original bits, but consider it as a kit car! and watch out with E-Bay, someone once listed my AC 428 for sale using pictures he had retrieved on the internet! Needless to say, I had a little fun with him.
   
   Emmanuel

[Mark IV]

As posted previously...
    The VIN is for a 1966 MUSTANG with a 2 barrel 289! This is a very strange situation, Angliss did not make cars in 1977, the VIN is for a 1966. I have seen cars imported using a "donor" VIN and title (1967 Ford rebodied/restored as XXX) but this is dicey at best. While Autokraft may have built this car I would want to see some documentaion as well as pictures/tracings of the VIN plate. Buyer beware...that said a nice 289 original spec car should be worth the low 100's.
   Rick
   
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   Edited by - Mark IV on 08 February 2007 18:12:21
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[AK1131]

Thanks

[nikbj68]

quote:Originally posted by Emmanueld
   
...watch out with E-Bay, someone once listed my AC 428 for sale using pictures he had retrieved on the internet! Needless to say, I had a little fun with him.
   Emmanuel
   

   What did you do? I think I`d be tempted to get a friend to bid against me up to like $1M so he gets hit with eBay sellers` fees, they would go after him pretty hot then, but can you be a non-paying bidder on your own car? I doubt it![:o)][:o)]

[jimmydfw]

This is actually my car you are talking about. It is 100% not a fake car. It was built by Brian Angliss and Richard Buxbaum in November of 1977. It is not and was never presented as being a Shelby car. When we got the car, it had a CSX vin plate in it but it was removed and the other vin plate was installed. It is for a Ford Cobra but that is the title the car currently has along with it. The car does not have an AC title or vin plate in it. If you have any doubts, feel free to come and inspect the car. We have nothing to hide.  It was also previously owned by Bill Jacobs and Dana Mecum
   
   Jimmy Singer
   214-893-7812

[Johan]

Is it still for sale ?

[Mark IV]

jimmydfw,
   
   The car may be a genny Angliss/Autokraft car BUT the VIN tag is a problem. It is for a Mustang, not a "Ford Cobra". The only "Ford Cobras" were a Fairlane model in 1969/70 or the SVT Mustang of the 90s/2003. I fail to see how the previous owners change the validity of the VIN. That Elvis owned a Pantera does not make it a GT40!
   
   You have a nice car but it was probably imported using a trick that was popular in the 70s and 80s, send over a VIN tag from a 60's non-emission required cars and attach it to a new build that is then imported as a "rebuilt/rebodied" version of the VINed vehicle. I have seen this done with a Safir GT40 that was given a 1965 Mustang VIN tag and imported as a "1965 Mustang rebuilt/rebodied to GT40 specification" While of questionable legality, this worked.
   
   I would lay off the "Ford Cobra" angle and sell the car for what it is, a very nice Autokraft built 289.
   
   Just my 2 cents...
   
   Rick

[MkIV Lux]

My 2 cents of analysis:
   it is advertised as a Mark IV: this it is definitely not!!
   Can our chassis specialists have a view of the pics and express their opinion on the correctnes of the chassis as a Mk II or even possibly an Ace?
   This would still not solve the VIN n° issue.
   
   http://images.ecarlist.com/cgi-bin/viewall.pl?dir=995_5089#01.jpg

[dkp_cobra]

Same opinion: definitely not a MK IV. The chassis looks like a MKII but the price would be much to cheap for a MKII.

[nikbj68]

I tell you what, it looks like a very well put together machine.
   Is it just me, or does the chassis plate look like it`s covered in protective film? The stampings are a bit odd, and no engine number?  So does that mean that the 'removed' plate has been re-instated? Not having access to a SAAC registry, could someone who has look up the history of CSX2277? Was Brian Angliss scratch building Cobras in `77 or could this have been a rebuild? To tell the difference between a MkII and an Ace is fairly easy, being as this has a steering rack, unless of course the steering was upgraded during a rebuild. How else could we tell? measure the wall thickness of the Ladder rails?
   Interesting.

[TLegate]

Brian was capable of building complete cars by 1977 (see Motor Sport, June 1975) and had made both 427s and 289s by then. He could also supply bodies to other people as well and I would not be surprised if at least one had been shipped to the USA. I have no reason to assume this is anything other than an 'Angliss' car, delivered to Buxbaum to finish in the USA. Naturally this would not qualify to use a CSX vin plate, so if it did have one, it would be advisable to remove it prior to selling the car, for obvious reasons.

[AK1131]

Some time ago I ask someone at SAAC about the CSX number given to me. I got blasted. I was told that number belonged to a car in California and SAAC really wanted to know who was using the number. I did not reply. I was simple trying to help.
   
   If the car was represented with a better story and more true facts it would probably sell. Is Brian Angliss still around?

[Mark IV]

Brian is retired to New Zealand and stays out of the automotive scene as I understand.

[jimmydfw]

I still have this car if anyone is interested.  www.straightlineautomotivegroup.com  jimmy 877-242-2369 ext.702