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#16
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: The sports 6
January 27, 2024, 23:08:46
Hello Jonto, haven't heard from you for a while. I hope the restoration of the vintage four-cylinder proceeded as planned (finished maybe? If so, how about a couple of photos?)

The photo of the Sports six-cylinder (Montlhéry) was taken by Bill Brunell, who took thousands of photos of cars in the 1920's and 1930's. A few years back the Motoring Picture Library at Beaulieu acquired his entire collection. He accompanied the Hon Victor Bruce on the successful Monte Carlo run in 1926.

The photo above was taken on 1 June 1929 at Osterley Park Hotel, Isleworth, Middlesex. The cars were competing in the North West London Motor Club Trial. On the left a Salmson 1087 cc. Vehicle Reg. No. YF5128, Driver was Higgs. On the right, the AC Acedes Six. Vehicle Reg. No. PK6322. Driver recorded as: Freeman, but it appears to be A J Mollart of AC. I have one other photo of this car competing, shown below. There are many photos of the event itself, on the web, but most have copyright restrictions - try entering the search '1929 North West London MC' and you'll find a few.

This same car, PK6322, was driven by Mollart in the Edinburg Trial of 1929. He worked for AC at Thames Ditton, if I recall as Works/Service Manager, leaving when the company went into administration. He started his own successful engineering company in Thames Ditton which still survives today (under successful stewardship of three generations).

Interestingly, there is a photo of a different AC, late 1920's, that carried the same registration number. I assume some factory manoeuvres....

Click the link to see a photo of that car. There is a Montlhery at the side of the shot, but only rear of the body visible.

https://motoringpicturelibrary.com/index.php/mpl_images/ac-acedes-six-open-tourer-1929-1991-cc-vehicle-reg-no-pk6322-event-entry-no-27-driver-mollart-j-finished-4th-equal-of-17-place-bhmc-brighton-motor-rally-date-28-6-1-7-30

#17
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: At auction
January 20, 2024, 15:35:35
Sold today!
#18
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: At auction
January 20, 2024, 09:34:35
Or, maybe easier to buy this one at 17,000 Euros!

https://www.prewarcar.com/455004-1937-ac-ace-16-66-foursome-drop-head-coupe
#19
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: AC Car Registry
November 17, 2023, 19:33:45
Whilst following up on AC cars in India, an interesting photo came to light. This photo shows the Maharaja Sir Vijaysinhji of Rajpipla, taken at his estate 'The Manor' at Old Windsor, UK, in 1927. Note his car in the background, an AC....clearly a man of taste. It was one of his stable of many cars, which included a number of Rolls-Royce Silver Ghosts and Phantoms!
#20
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: AC Car Registry
November 17, 2023, 11:43:50
On looking at the photo again, it could be the car is still under restoration as no number plate, missing dampers, seat may be temporary (interior to be trimmed?) etc. It may be a six-cylinder and thus probably unrecorded in the vintage register. For gravity fuel tanks AC did not use a filler on the scuttle, but on the dashboard, so it may not be a petrol cap - it wasn't unusual to place a mascot or car badge here, especially if a calormeter was on the radiator, but can't confirm this as the photo pixellates when enlarging.
#21
Vintage, PVT & 2 Litre Forum / Re: AC Car Registry
November 16, 2023, 12:45:03
A very interesting car. A couple of vintage AC's are known to be in India and this restored car doesn't appear to be either of them. Andrey, were there any more details with this photo e.g. chassis number, owner, location? It does have a gravity feed fuel tank (so may be a little earlier than 1927) though does have front brakes. Also, appears to lack front damping so the springs would be putting up with a lot more effort, especially considering India's roads. Paintwork gaudy, but maybe representing India's flag? The steering wheel and the seat style are wrong for the car, but overall it looks restored well. Any more info available?
#22
Chris Jaques 4/5 seater tourer is for sale. One of only two that survive it was restored some years back. Gavin McGuire has it on his website but no price is shown. It's a lovely vintage Six . For video, see here:

https://treasuredcars.com/classic_cars_for_sale/details/1928-ac-acedes-classic-cars-for-sale_3465

Also in The Automobile, the 2/3 seater registration Z1348 has resurfaced (Page 10). It was known to be in Ireland. An interesting car, likely a 12/35 on bore size. Here's my note from ACtion on it:

14330 (Z 1348)
There are comments in the vintage register questioning why this 1928 car has smaller capacity liners
(56mm cf. 65mm) within an orthodox two-litre engine and suggesting there has been a modification
for convenience, availability or taxation limitation. However, for 1927 and 1928 the factory offered a
12-35 hp six-cylinder 2-3-seater. The taxable horsepower being 12 hp, the engine size 1484 cc and the
bore size 56.3 (56x100). I suggest therefore it is highly likely that this car is a 12-35 model and that
outwardly it would show no differences to the 2-litre Six. Autocar wrote about the model in April 1927
and The Auto in November 1927. Registration number Z 1348 has not been seen for some time.
#23
That is a great looking car....the company also has two Ace Bristols for sale.
#24
Quote from: pjbowman on August 19, 2023, 01:21:35
A well deserved price, and a record for an AC?

Certainly not a record for an AC, IF a Shelby Cobra is considered an AC, as it is by some! That accolade would be Carroll Shelby's Cobra (CSX3015) that went for $5.5 million (and that was the hammer price!) a couple of years back.
#25
Sorry, my posting was meant as a bit of a joke....
#27
What is 'CP&GP' ?
#28
There are very important historical photos being shown here. Andrey has done a fine job in finding them and copying across to the forum.

The club archivist needs to ensure that these are now held permanently in the ACOC archives for future reference and research.
#29
There are very important historical photos being shown here. Andrey has done a fine job in finding them and copying across to the forum.

The club archivist needs to ensure that these are now held permanently in the ACOC archives for future reference and research.
#30
Hi Andrey

I have photos that I can send you of some of the cars where their chassis numbers are currently seen as 'black screen'. Also, do you want further notes - any other information - to add, concerning the cars you have recorded here?

Also, a note should be prepared for 'ACtion' advising others of this photographic resource on the forum.